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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jules thanks for that information.
I will certainly report it to CR.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Open VDS 5
2. Open an existing script in the IDE
3. Open file explorer
4. Navigate to the directory where the now open script is.
5. Do some editing and saving and compiling.
6. Navigate to some other folder in another branch elsewhere.
7. Now compile again.

The common factor I found when this happens is that I have changed
the file explorer to another directory to check something out, the brought
the VDS 5 IDE back up and compiled. When the compiler gave me an
error that it couldn't find an included file, I went back to the directory
where the script was located, and all files were gone except

~vdstemp.manifest
~vdstemp.res

And the .dsp file.

Those files remained there after I closed the IDE also.

After this happened, I realized that navigating the file explorer to another
directory was the common factor in all my encounters with this error.

Anyone else dare to try and confirm this?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried your procedure, Garrett, but couldn't reproduce the error here. Confused But you're right, we really
need to pinpoint this VDS behavior so the bug can be corrected coz it's really so nasty. Evil or Very Mad

I'll keep trying a few things under controlled circumstances to see what happens. Unfortunately, I
really don't remember what I'd been doing the two times that I've seen VDS delete my files.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must have done this countless times without having files deleted. The IDE uses full paths for all file accesses, which makes it even more strange.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried your procedure, Garrett but nothing seems to happen. Confused
I tried several times. Now may be not just hundreds but no success under several controlled conditions. I just happens once a while without any clue. Could it be that some component used in VDS is tricking ??

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That figures. But it is the only common factor that I know of at this time,
that, and the fact that compiling is when the deletions happen.

Well, ok, there are two other common factors, we are all using VDS 5,
and we are all using some version of Windows! Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought CodeScript reported the files disappearing when he closed the IDE.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jules wrote:
I thought CodeScript reported the files disappearing when he closed the IDE.


Certainly yes in the case of my second incident I posted.
Others I have not simply been able to see because the folder in question was not in view. So in other instances I really don't know at what stage the files were deleted.
I have tested in a variety of settings though to try to make VDS delete files in a reproducible way without success. Sad

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This happened on Win Xp Pro today and other apps that were running:

VDS 5 IDE.
Windows Notepad.
Win32 Programmer's Reference - help file
VDSUG.dll - help file
Two more folders on different drives.
Intrenet Explorer with Google as HomePage.
Tech-Pro GetBack
Norton Antivirus.
Nero Buring ROM tray apps.
Keyboard Hotkey Diver UI.
Sound card Mixer app.

I was working with VDS 5 with a file
RICHEDIT.dsc
It has .dsp file.
I have edited the file several times
over the past 2-3 days.
Just two hours back I reopened the project
(double click the .dsp)and was working on it.
I also opened ug_richedit.dsc for reference
in the second tab in the IDE.

I compiled and tested (always) the RICHEDIT.exe.
The script used vdsug.dll and @sendmsg()
No @lib() function used anywhere.

I got a strange error :

"Opération pointeur incorrecte."
and the exe crashed.

I again tried but it ran OK.
After a few seconds I again run it:
Message box saying vdsug.dll not found
displayed (I had added this to script)
IDE was still there and the tab shows
both the files including the one erased off
by the exe.
I checked the folder the result was:

Files deleted off by VDS ? EXE ??IDE
========================
ug_richedit.dsc
Document.rtf
Readme.txt
Riched32.dll
vdsug.dll

None of them are in Recylce bin
I went to Tech-Pro GetBack (Thanks Jules)
and confirmed by findings (screen shot)
(I had set backup only for .dsc)




This is the explorer screenshot showing
missing files in the folder view:





This is the screenshot of the VDS IDE
showing the deleted file still held in
the memory of the IDE and being displayed.





Now if I close the IDE the file ug_richedit.dsc
will be lost from the RAM and from the disk it
is missing. So I will lose the file forever if I don't
do some pseudo editing to enable the IDE save button
before closing. (but for getback TM)

The most worrysome thing is this time it happened with
compiled exe although I cannot be sure whether IDE ate up
the files during compiling or it was the exe.

Use of vdsug.dll is a confounding factor but I am very
reluctant to blame it as I cannot imagine a dll deleting
itself and also previous experiences in which no dll or API
were involved.
This is the first time I am able to document it so clearly due to
Tech Pro Getback.
Edit:
I did a pseudo-editing and saved the ug_richedit.dsc sucessfully using save button to be doubly sure of my findings[/b]

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we can safely say it's not the dll at all, as this happens under what
seems to be so many various situations, which is making trying to nail this
down so much harder.

I've had this happen with and without dlls, while saving, while compiling and
who knows what else.

Unfortunately, GetBack is not for the Win 9x series, so I manually just
copy the whole project folder right before I do any saving or compiling.

This is perhaps one of the most annoying bugs in my book. I am so tired
of having to do this manual backup all the time, but if I don't, I end up
losing days, weeks, or even years worth of work. And there's just no way
of being able to detect when this is going to happen.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garrett wrote:
I am so tired
of having to do this manual backup all the time, but if I don't, I end up
losing days, weeks, or even years worth of work.


But when something does happen, you will be prepared. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish CR would hurry up and release the update. I still have no idea what causes this but I made a number of changes and extra checks in the hope of curing it. The problem has only ever happened to me one time so the fact that it has never happened to me with the updated IDE is no proof that I've fixed it. We really need the new version out in the field so more people can use it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tested the newer build that was sent to me and it does correct alot of IDE issues, mostly the ones where the ide hangs/crashes when opening a dsc file. I've never had it delete any of my project files however (previous and current builds).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never had VDS 5 delete my files and I do quite a lot of work
with them.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

U are very lucky FF
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