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JRoza · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject:

Be assured I'm not ragging down anyone, but just as jrmarquart points out CR is not overly "user-friendly" and is not doing any community building like we are doing in this alternative VDS forum.

I too have registered quite a number of VDS dll's from other forum members to enhance my VDS tool and think that VDS 5 is not a bad programming tool at all. Together with these add-ons it's a great product.

But one thing no one can deny is the complete absence of CR themselves and I'm not only talking about this forum as there are numerous support complaints.

If there are enough new features and enhancements in VDS6 I'm sure I'll buy it, but it would be nice if CR showed some interest in their current and future customers and would wet our appetite every now and then with pieces of information about version 6.
Now I have the feeling that CR is considering us as a nuisance and isn't interested in customers at all.

Just my humble opinion ........
Crying or Very sad

Jan

trapper · Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject:

jwfv · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:09 am Post subject:

I agree. I really use VDS a lot and am certainly not ready to give up on it by any means. But a word from the company to show there is someone "out there" would be very encouraging.

Estas · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject:

Hi all,
Just in case VDS 6 won't be published, there is an alternative:
PowerBasic for Windows 8.01
It's a bit more expensive and a LITTLE more complicated to learn than VDS, but it produces lean and fast exe-files.
Although we all wish this won't be necessary...
Greetings Mike

Rubes_sw · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject:

I really think promoting other languages on a VDS forum is not acceptable, if you really want to other people to know about another language and speaking of an alternative then it should be done off board.

There are many new-vds users and other users who use this forum, and having items stating that their is an alternative should not be discussed in public but rather via email or pm.

Nathan

GarrettHylltun · Newbie Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 3

You can never know what the future will bring. VDS has it's moments, but
it is true, they are far and few apart with each release.

I haven't been using VDS now since June or July of last year, but not
because of the long spans between releases. I simply outgrew VDS and
needed something more. I did of course get annoyed with the long delays
in releases, but that wasn't a main reason in my leaving VDS.

Keep in mind, VDS is a very very unique programming tool, and the prices
are reasonable. Trust me, the prices are reasonable!

Since I left VDS, I have spent close to $1,000 USD on programming tools.

One language alone cost me near $600 USD. But of course I can produce
cross-platform programs, hence the price.

One other thing though, is that many langauges charge you subscription
fees if you want updates and upgrades. As it is with one of the languages
I have, spent almost $600 USD for the the language, but that doesn't
include updates or upgrades. I would have had to pay another $200 just
to be eligible for updates and upgrades within a one year period. And
beyond that, I must pay another $200 each year in order to continue to
be eligible for updates and upgrades.

So don't consider the price of VDS to be a major issue.

As for PowerBasic! If you don't mind getting charged out the hind end
and then getting nickle and dimed to death for every little addon, then
by all means. In my opinion it's not worth it. It used to be a long time
ago, but it's since lost it's luster and value.

The value in VDS has always been it's ease of use, speed of creation of
programs and it's more than fair price. But VDS has it's limitations, and
always has. It wasn't meant to be some VB or Delphi comptetitor. It was
meant as a scripting language, like batch, but with a bit more kick and
bite to it.

We the users are always trying to push VDS beyond it's intent and abilities,
and then we feel that it's the fault of VDS for not being able to keep up
with what we want. Of course, the ability to add external dll files to it all
really kind of helps us get the wrong impression. But it is so sweet to be
able to drop a dll in and add a butt load of additional features and abilities.

Basically, don't knock VDS too hard. It is what it is, and what has always
been, and will always be. It's been consistant, and even consistant with
it's long awaited releases.

And if it doesn't fit your needs anymore, then you don't have any choice
but to look for something else. But don't expect to find anything else
similar to VDS.... You won't find it at all. You'll just have to browse the
market and test things out to find something that you can adapt to.

Personally, I have not one regret with VDS. It was with me since around
version 2.x or 3.0, and I enjoyed every line of code with it. Only reason
I'm not using it anymore is that I needed more than what VDS could offer
and I needed cross-platform ability.

Best regards,
-Garrett

trapper · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject:

Hmmm... I'm thinking Garrett went to REALbasic Question

BTW... I concur with your thoughts on PowerBasic.

Cheers...

GarrettHylltun · Newbie Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 3

No, not REALBasic, PureBasic and Runtime Revolution.

REALBasic was a bit bloated and the IDE was a pain in the rump.

-Garrett

trapper · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject:

Interesting... I'd also looked at RB but thought it bloated... certainly the compiled aplications were.

I'd appreciate your opinion of PureBasic and Runtime Revolution if you have the time to summarise the pros and cons... but perhaps it would be best outside of the forum. (vds AT trappett DOT com).

Cheers.

JRoza · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject:

Mind you, the discussion was not about the quality and strength of VDS which I personally think is okay for the things I expect of it.The discussion was about the quality of support and interest CR shows in the product and its customers. Personally when VDS 6 comes out I will sure try it out and if there are enough innovations and new items then I will upgrade to VDS 6 otherwise I'll continue with version 5. So for me VDS is not dead nor will it be dead. And if I need a stronger/heavier product to do some job I still have Delphi 6. For me there will always be tasks that are perfect for VDS and VDS certainly is still a powerfull and feature rich programming environment.

GarrettHylltun · Newbie Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 3

Well, this isn't any excuse, but VDS support and participation from CR is
what it has been since day one. Not sure anyone can say it will ever get
better.

I've just always expected it to be what has been, which is very little. I know
it's not right and it's not an excuse, but I guess I've become numb to it and
no longer think of it as an issue. But to new folks I expect that it would be
an issue.

I've experienced worse support and participation from other products.

-Garrett