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| Quote: | | Have you ever looked into the editor component used by Inno Setup? |
I always thought it was the same one we used. If it isn't, the problem is that a lot of work has been invested is integrating TSyntaxMemo into the VDS debugger. To start again with a different editor would be an enormous amount of work, which would have no benefit to the end user because it would just look the same. I did look at one syntax editor that was being developed open source but it was horrible to use. It would probably have used up most of the development budget converting to it...
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My only wish would be to find a workaround with the HTML formatting
problem. 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Jules,
Yeah syntax highlighting is one of the harder things to get right. I have tried to build VDS DLL's for this and it is very difficult to write it so that it works as good as the others that are already out there...Most syntax highlighting controls are very slow...Just how slow...Well with some I have tried you could actually watch it as it was painting each letter of the word  If you find a good component keep it for sure....
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Skit,
I believe the IDE is built with Delphi? They just need to filter the clipboard data type and only request CF_TEXT instead of just coping what ever is on the clipboard or CF_RTF...
Below is a function from the Win32 API help file...It's in C syntax but should be easy enough to convert to Pascal....
| Code: | VOID WINAPI EditPaste(VOID)
{
PLABELBOX pbox;
HGLOBAL hglb;
LPTSTR lptstr;
PLABELBOX pboxCopy;
int cx, cy;
HWND hwnd;
pbox = hwndSelected == NULL ? NULL :
(PLABELBOX) GetWindowLong(hwndSelected, 0);
// If the application is in edit mode,
// get the clipboard text.
if (pbox != NULL && pbox->fEdit)
{
if (!IsClipboardFormatAvailable(CF_TEXT))
return;
if (!OpenClipboard(hwndMain))
return;
hglb = GetClipboardData(CF_TEXT);
if (hglb != NULL)
{
lptstr = GlobalLock(hglb);
if (lptstr != NULL)
{
// Call the application-defined ReplaceSelection
// function to insert the text and repaint the
// window.
ReplaceSelection(hwndSelected, pbox, lptstr);
GlobalUnlock(hglb);
}
}
CloseClipboard();
return;
}
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jules
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| Quote: | | If you get one more sale of your product then that is one that you would otherwise not have. |
And if you spent thousands of pounds porting your product to another OS just to get one sale you'll have lost a lot of money.
Borland asked its customers if they would like to see Delphi for Linux, and many said Yes which is why they developed Kylix. But by the time it came out not many people put their money where their mouth is.
The fact is that the Windows market is so much bigger than that for Linux that software companies can afford to ignore it. Linux is never going to compete seriously with Microsoft. It's fine for you guys who want to see an alternative to say that software companies should make Linux versions of their products but it doesn't cost you anything to say that. If it was my money I wouldn't risk it.
By the way please note that just because I've been contracted to do some of the VDS 5 development doesn't mean that I'm an employee of Commercial Research. Any opinions stated here by me are entirely my own.
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Actually I think Macintosh is a lot more widely used than Linux. What
about support for that? I for one would use it for Macintosh.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| FreezingFire wrote: | | My only wish would be to find a workaround with the HTML formatting problem. |
Oh, that was dead easy to do. The fix will be in the update.
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| Skit3000 wrote: | It should be pretty easy. Just make a hotkey which catch "Ctrl+V", and let it put the clipboard contents into a (text) list. Then paste it into the editor. I think it will only use a couple of extra lines...  |
I have already done this in a humble utility I built. You need to press Ctrl+Alt+V instead of Ctrl+V while the app is running in background. the text is paste dneat without any tags.
http://codescript.vdsworld.com/VDS5src/Tray_helper_project.zip
There are some limitations like cursor should be over the Tsyntaxmemo (editor) I could use getcaretpos (gives error due to unknown reason) and have no surplus freetime. Sure someone can improve it further.
EDIT: You can use this till you get an update
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| jules wrote: | | FreezingFire wrote: | | My only wish would be to find a workaround with the HTML formatting problem. |
Oh, that was dead easy to do. The fix will be in the update. |
AWESOME You just don't know how long we have all complained about this. It is mentioned at least once for each new user to this forum  Thank you so very very very much....
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| jules wrote: |
And if you spent thousands of pounds porting your product to another OS just to get one sale you'll have lost a lot of money.
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Use dollars they will probally go further  hehehehehe... Just kidding... Seriously how long did it take you to make the runtime work under Linux? How much win32 API code would need to be converted?
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| Quote: | | how long did it take you to make the runtime work under Linux? |
It was just a hack - there was no dialog stuff in there and anything that didn't work, like API stuff, was just commented out. And it just executed a plain text script (I have no idea how to make Linux binaries.)
I think it would be very hard to make VDS completely cross platform, where the same script works exactly the same under both Windows and Linux. It would be not so hard to make something that was recognisably VDS, but with not exactly the same features or behavior on both platforms. But that probably wouldn't be satisfactory to a lot of people.
As I said in an earlier post, it would be much easier to make VDS cross-platform if that was the intent in the first place. Then you wouldn't put anything in there that you couldn't do on both platforms.
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| jules wrote: |
As I said in an earlier post, it would be much easier to make VDS cross-platform if that was the intent in the first place. Then you wouldn't put anything in there that you couldn't do on both platforms. |
Yeah this is ture for most software that you want to be portable across different platforms. I was just trying to get a feel for how much work it would actually take is all. It helps to understand the language better. At least for me. That's why I choose to write my VDS DLL's with the Lcc compiler. I was not sure if VDS would be ported to Linux but at the same time if it ever is I would be able to port my code along with it. While we are on the subject is there any chance of a dotNET version of VDS or at least the ability to use OLE/COM with the language someday or something similar to these M$ technologies?
BTW I think it is awesome that you are posting to the VDS forum If no one else has said it I want to be the first to say thank you so much for taking the time to answer our questions about VDS. It has been very educational and good for me to get your input about VDS.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| mindpower wrote: | | BTW I think it is awesome that you are posting to the VDS forum If no one else has said it I want to be the first to say thank you so much for taking the time to answer our questions about VDS. It has been very educational and good for me to get your input about VDS. |
Here, here! Thank you Jules!
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| jules wrote: | | FreezingFire wrote: | | My only wish would be to find a workaround with the HTML formatting problem. |
Oh, that was dead easy to do. The fix will be in the update. |
Wow! That is great!  
That's really my only complaint about the component, so now I
can happily use VDS! Thanks!
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